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So many of my friends are posting about it so I will also add this expression first:
If you can't trust me with a choice, how can you trust me with a child!
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/23/news/abort.php
I don't understand. Why can't people leave this alone? You were given free will by God(dess) and you can do what you feel is right, but stop trying to tell other people they are wrong. You don't have to look in the mirror everyday and see the person who made the choice. ALSO, if you are going to ban abortios, then teach BIRTH CONTROL IN SCHOOLS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE!!!!!!!!! Just because I know something doesn't make me wanna go out and do it. I knew about some drugs. It doesn't mean I went out and tried them! Why is it assumed that if you teach about sex ed and birth control, young people are going to run around having sex? Explain this to me! I knew about sex ed in 4th grade! I didn't have sex until I was 18! Not because I couldn't, but because I didn't want to! But people who don't know what to do or not do, seem to get pregnant. How is this helping the world? And there is so may unwanted children on the planet already. I would rather see a woman who wanted a child be a mother verses some one who didn't. I understand there are women out there who will and do use abortion as birth control, but I would rather that than back alley abortions and such. Again, not my choice to make. And the agrument that women don't realy want abortions is not always true. Some women chose ths option do regret it, but not everyone. And I don't want to be the one to say no to a person who believes it is right for them. I am not their Higher Power, God, Goddess, etc. I am only responsible to my Goddess and my conscience. What is right for me is just that, right for me.
Okay so that is my view....Discuss...
If you can't trust me with a choice, how can you trust me with a child!
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/23/news/abort.php
I don't understand. Why can't people leave this alone? You were given free will by God(dess) and you can do what you feel is right, but stop trying to tell other people they are wrong. You don't have to look in the mirror everyday and see the person who made the choice. ALSO, if you are going to ban abortios, then teach BIRTH CONTROL IN SCHOOLS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE!!!!!!!!! Just because I know something doesn't make me wanna go out and do it. I knew about some drugs. It doesn't mean I went out and tried them! Why is it assumed that if you teach about sex ed and birth control, young people are going to run around having sex? Explain this to me! I knew about sex ed in 4th grade! I didn't have sex until I was 18! Not because I couldn't, but because I didn't want to! But people who don't know what to do or not do, seem to get pregnant. How is this helping the world? And there is so may unwanted children on the planet already. I would rather see a woman who wanted a child be a mother verses some one who didn't. I understand there are women out there who will and do use abortion as birth control, but I would rather that than back alley abortions and such. Again, not my choice to make. And the agrument that women don't realy want abortions is not always true. Some women chose ths option do regret it, but not everyone. And I don't want to be the one to say no to a person who believes it is right for them. I am not their Higher Power, God, Goddess, etc. I am only responsible to my Goddess and my conscience. What is right for me is just that, right for me.
Okay so that is my view....Discuss...
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Date: 2006-02-27 07:27 am (UTC)From:Alrighty.
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Date: 2006-02-27 02:28 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2006-02-27 11:17 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2006-02-27 11:40 pm (UTC)From:Average woman in poor parts of brazil has like 5 pregnancies. The do not refer to children as babies but as angels, until they are 5 or so years old.Onechild usually survives to adulthood.The Brazillian government won't do anything for this situation, as they feel they do enough by providing feel coffins.
for more info do a search of "Death without Weeping"
Baby milk pushers.
http://www.newint.org/issue110/keynote.htm
I figured if someone was going to use human rights issues as a means to promote pro life, that they should also be active enough to avoid agents of child death.
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Date: 2006-02-27 11:12 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2006-02-27 02:27 pm (UTC)From:For my own PERSONAL choice, I am prolife.That is because after walking several friends through the experience I know I can't go through with it.But, I also know I have a support network and resources that would make having a child not devistating.This has been true my whole sexually active life.- 2.
For others- I am a big fan of free will. and with any choice, we can accuse others of "making us' do things though most of the time, whatever we choose is up to us.American culture is strongly focused on blaming god.other people, the system and thier parents for anything bad about thier lives.Not many look at the mess of thier lives and actually own it.This leads to thier being issues like this.Women are not very clear about what is theres.therefore it is allowed to be continually debated what sorts of freedoms we should have.Then you can look at the fact that whether we are working on equal rights, until there are lot more very wealthy women who control huge chuncks of commerce and media, These things will still be debated.Our world is still ruled by rich white men. In fact the only reason the women's movement even got off the ground was because the men on top noticed how good it was for commerce to have women in the workforce.Believe that it would not have worked out that way if women had been detrimental to the economy and commerce.
Yes in an ideal world, people who have rights to abortion free and legal birthcontrol (sometimes we have this) while not having to question this right every couple of weeks.
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Date: 2006-02-27 02:58 pm (UTC)From:Frankly, I'd love to see someone in South Dakota who can't get an abortion sue the state for child support, since they decided she had to keep it, even though she didn't want to.
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Date: 2006-02-27 11:21 pm (UTC)From:be patient kiddy
Date: 2006-02-27 10:23 pm (UTC)From:number two, even if they do, it will get challenged within 60 seconds in federal court, thus, getting tied up for years
number three, thank god, even with the new choices bush made, the supreme court is still 5-4 on roevwade, so, who cares.
i feel the partial birth abortion act will become law next year, which i am ok with, provided the provisions for a mothers health are made. then, if it is written as law, that when the mothers health is in jeapordy, this practice can be used, so be it, we do not need 3rd trimester abortions anyways.
this whole bullshit the gop preaches about morals, and thier relationship with christ, is a bunch of shit, a way to get elections won. not only as a jew do i not give two shits who believes in christ, i would not care if i was a christian, and further, i would call them on all their lies anyways.
i personally would not forsee any time in life, where, i would condone someone i loved, cared for, or knew, getting an abortion. however, not as a democrat, but as a person, i do not ask that you legislate my opinion, therefore, i ask that we keep things legal that others may need them to be legal for.
this is so sad, that thirty some years later we are still fighting over this shit. let it go.
Re: be patient kiddy
Date: 2006-02-27 11:38 pm (UTC)From:As for the Supreme Court, it can still cause issues. This wouldn't be coming up if some one didn't think they could change Roe V. Wade. So it does matter in the long run.
As for the Religious view, I am not a Christian because I have issues with the religion not what it is supposed to be based on. Jesus had some great ideas, but religion isn't just based on what He has said. I don't want to agrue that. I don't think that should be why the state gets to get involved in a woman's choice. It isn't some thing that should happen or not based on what you believe will happen in the after life etc. You can do as you will as long as you are willing to face the circumstances for your choices. And if you choose to end an unplanned pregancy, then you have to live with that. You shouldn't be condemded by other because they beliee you to be wrong. They aren't you! They can't provide for you. They are allowed to their opinion, but why isn't it okay to teach birth control? Why is it okay that some pharmists won't give birth control to women who don't want to have to make the abortion choice? This is going off on a tangent... Sorry Jon. But I just get to writing.... (And the You in the above statemnets is the royal you not you Jon...)
Thanks for letting me rant.
Re: be patient kiddy
Date: 2006-02-28 12:01 am (UTC)From:i think that the roevwade haters, see the chance with alito and roberts on the bench, to challenge, but replacing o'connor and rhenquist will not change it. sure, o'connor was a lib in her thinking, however, there are still 5 justices, who have made it known with their voting practices of the past 10 plus years, that they will NOT vote to overturn roevwade. they, may, vote to outlaw partial birth abortion. and why not? if to you, being pregnant is a choice, which, i fully support that, then, why can you not make up your mind before you are 24 weeks into it? a child can be born at 24 weeks perfectly healthy, however, a child CANNOT be born in weeks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10,11,12,13,14,15, 16, 17,18, 19, or 20. so, if you cannot make up your mind by then, then, you know what? sorry, have it. i think as long as the partial birth abortion act goes into affect with a provision for the health of the mother, then it is fine by me. there are some hard core democrats, that will argue that point to the ground, but that is their perrogative. let it go. just like some hard core republicans that will argue gun issues to the ground, that it is unconstitutional to outlaw ANY gun of ANY kind, again, their perrogative. i think supporting a political view, like i do, with regards to being a democrat and supporting abortion, there should be more to it then supporting it, you should draw lines. and, the supreme court outlawing it, with a provision, is a line. the supreme court, upholding under 18 year old laws, again, is fine, provided there is a provision for the health of the mother, and, secondly, notifying the parents you are doing it, and giving them a say, are 2 different things. as long as it does not become the law of the land that you have to call some 17 year old girls parents AND get permission, hey, it is their kid, not their body. it is hers.
i agree with your stance on religion, and politics. specifically, the condemnation by the morally correct republicans, and the assertion that their way is right, when, over half of the present world does not believe they are right. we wonder, why, as americans, that other CONTINENTS are laughing at us. europe, and asia, laugh their asses off at us, because of our silly little infighting over legislating of opinions. it was like john ashcroft, a few years back, trying to do legislation on gay porn. it was like, ok ashcroft, yes, i agree with you................i do not wish to see some dude ram his schlong in another dudes ass, yes, as a straight man, i agree, i do not wish to watch that, but as a free thinking adult, i DO NOT WANT MY OPINIONS LEGISLATED.
this really, again, is all so sad, why, if you say you are a christian, all of the sudden you are morally right, and the rest of us are not.
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Date: 2006-02-28 04:44 am (UTC)From:Privacy has little to do with having babies, it was just a convienient strategy that happened to work. Until someone else comes up with another strategy that will actually work the opposite way. And, yes, it will happen. Roe v. Wade is not a law, only an opinion. Opinions are minipulated and changed all the time.
The only real solution is to make it a constitutional law. I still blame Clinton for not pushing that when he had the chance. But then you can never trust a politition to make a decision that might take money or power away from them, even if it might be the right one. Maybe this will force it to be decided by the people.
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Date: 2006-02-28 12:25 pm (UTC)From:and it would not be a red and blue matter, states that usually vote for the so called morally right republicadicks, will not all vote to outlaw.
but that is in narnia. this will never get overturned. never happen.